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 Post subject: Roller Lifters......To soak or not to soak
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:14 am 
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In the past I've always soaked lifters in mineral spirits cleaned'em good then soaked lifters in a bath of oil for a few hours and basted roller and body with cam and lifter assembly lube and dropped them in. Is this still a good method or pumping each one with a pushrod something i should try. Never done this and never thought it was necessary??????............I really am trying not to have the same catastrophic failure that happened the last time I ran this engine... Appreciate any feedback Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Roller Lifters......To soak or not to soak
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:23 am 
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If you were wondering what the lobes looked like heres a couple shots
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Hey Al, glad to see you getting active here. I have no experience in this area. But from a mechanical point of view it looks like to me like a lot of pressure with no where to go. Coil bind? Like the lifters wanted to move more than the valve train could. Did the valves hit the pistons? Are the rockers messed up at all? Someone with more engine building experience will chime in on this one. This was a pretty low mileage engine if I remember correctly. I've only built one and it was hydraulic so I'm not much help. As you said to me, if you need a hand and I'm off, I'll be there.

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Pump them up?? Is this a hyd roller?
Even so I don't pump them up, no reason to as you are going to prime the engine anyway,,,
You are priming it right :yes:

Who's lifter are you running?
If a conventional needle type lifter I would want to drop them in a can of oil for a few hours at the least unless it is from someone with instructions to the contrary,
The lifters I use tell you to wash the crap out of them in solvent or mineral spirits, blow them out real good & soak them in oil
The stuff they come with is a protective coating not a break in lube.
Isky's new needless ones you do nothing but take them out of the box & install them as they have a special hi pressure break in lube in them

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 Post subject: Re: Roller Lifters......To soak or not to soak
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:51 am 
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They are indeed New hydra rollers by Crower and I definitely will be cleaning the crap out of them and soaking them in oil for a few hours. I always prime an engine before first startup.... and these lifters have the pin hole for oiling which I would clean for sure.
The pics I shot up were of A comp cams setup, I believe that this was a faulty lifter Every thing spec'ed out good in the previous build, Clearance issues were not the culprit. Springs, valves, pistons looked to be in good shape, Possibly heat treating or link bar issues from all the evidence.. Definitely too much pressure Don and Mike i do agree with the prep work on the lifters.

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 Post subject: Re: Roller Lifters......To soak or not to soak
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:00 am 
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The new Crowers came with A card stating
*DO NOT WASH your new lifters .This will remove the pre-lube from the bearing.
*Soak all USED roller lifters in engine oil prior to installation ..

I see a lot of paper crap all over these lifters from the new box , I feel as if they should be cleaned with out a doubt or cleaning the body with a non lint towel a little cleaner, blowem dry, lube and go. Whats my best option?

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 Post subject: Re: Roller Lifters......To soak or not to soak
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That is why I qualified my "wash & soak" suggestion
Just rinse the bodies & blow the crap off of them but do not soak & remove the hi pressure lube from the rollers if that is what the instructions say

BTW, :violin:
Been down the same road with the Comp hyd rollers in a BB a number of years ago,,,
Broke a link bar on the dyno, brand new engine, less than 5 pulls,,
Got every friggen excuse in the book from them except an admission that the goddamn link was defective,, :angry:
Including how the block must be bad,,,,
Even took the lifter pair to the PRI show & showed it to the "powers that be"
"Gentleman" just turned his back to me & started talking to someone else
It did not endear me to Comp at the time,,,,,

But to be fair I did get a set of solid rollers & another cam plus a set of bare 320 RHS heads out of the deal after about 2 years of bitching
I sold the lifters & put in Isky Red Zones
The "bad" block now has 5 or 6 years on a solid roller with upwards of 20K miles,,,,

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 Post subject: Re: Roller Lifters......To soak or not to soak
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Wolfplace wrote:
That is why I qualified my "wash & soak" suggestion
Just rinse the bodies & blow the crap off of them but do not soak & remove the hi pressure lube from the rollers if that is what the instructions say

BTW, :violin:
Been down the same road with the Comp hyd rollers in a BB a number of years ago,,,
Broke a link bar on the dyno, brand new engine, less than 5 pulls,,
Got every friggen excuse in the book from them except an admission that the goddamn link was defective,, :angry:
Including how the block must be bad,,,,
Even took the lifter pair to the PRI show & showed it to the "powers that be"
"Gentleman" just turned his back to me & started talking to someone else
It did not endear me to Comp at the time,,,,,

But to be fair I did get a set of solid rollers & another cam plus a set of bare 320 RHS heads out of the deal after about 2 years of bitching
I sold the lifters & put in Isky Red Zones
The "bad" block now has 5 or 6 years on a solid roller with upwards of 20K miles,,,,

Thats what I like to hear Mike A little persistence pays off in the end and thanks alot
for the feedback I figured if anybody knows you would....

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Those photos scare me then to hear they were Comp hyd lifters. I am still using my old set of 853 Comp retro rollers , first on the "austrtempered" (cheap cast material term) then after the fuel pump lobe wore off , I cleaned them up, kept them submerged in oil and placed them on one of Ud Harolds billet grinds, (same as JimM's) but a new set of AFR elimanator 195's from thru Mike's shop , with the option springs set at 155# closed pressure.
Needless to say , the comp has lasted many long distance cruises but then like they say "every puppy has its day" .

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Don, I'd hope those with more experience will chime in, but I wouldn't worry. It sounds like you have a "good one" and I'd bet they are happily living a long long life.

After all, I haved a et of harolds morel/lunati lifters, and they sound like they are dancing on the hood when they are cold!

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