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 Post subject: EFI Tuning
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:49 am 
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Yesterday, I started working with my first real "car business" customer :hurray:

I used a remote support tool to take control of his laptop from the comfort of my garage. I was able to run, monitor, and change the settings for his Holley Comandar 950 port injection system live and in real time. He's in West Virginia, and I'm in suburban Chicago! It was pretty cool.

When I started, the car (actually a Chevy pickup) would crank but not fire at all. :cry:

After some messing around wo got her to fire (had to set the timing in the computer to 50 degrees!!!), adjusted a bit to get her stable, and then the owner put a timing light on the engine. We found the physical timing was set 18 degrees retarded, and corrected that so the timing light and the commander 950 agreed.

After a lil more tweeking, he could reliably reach in the window and twist the key, and the injected 350 would fire on the second rotation and settle into a smooth idle. :beers:

About this time he noticed smoke, and then a lil flame, coming from way down in the header on the passenger side!! :pout: Seems some wiring may not have been properly secured :clink: We declared that done for the day though. will hit it again soon.

If anyone else wants to take advantage of "Jim's remote holley EFI tuning" give me a call.

While I do OK with my existing business, I'd really like to be permanently professionally involved with car stuff. This site, and yesterdays workm are the first steps.

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 Post subject: Re: EFI Tuning
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:29 am 
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Kindda neat. Did you use GoAssist.com for remote control?
Is there not a base timing set-up, as in disable computer timing control and set initial timing?

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 Post subject: Re: EFI Tuning
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:37 pm 
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Yes, gotoassist express is what I use. We use it at work, too. It's pretty inexpoensive and works very well, every bit as good as webex, which costs more per month than goto costs per year.

The "base timing" is totally meaningless. What you are "supposed to do" is disconnect a wire going into the distributor to disable the electronic advance completely, and then start the engine, and (with a timing light) physically set the distributor position so the timing light shows the same timing as is entered in the ECU's "timing reference". This is typically 10 degrees BTDC for GM ignitions.

Problems is, the book says to set to this arbitrary 10 degree number, and assume the engine will start, run, warmup, and idle with only (insert either 10 degrees or I DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA CAUSE I JUST DROPPED THE DIZZY IN AS BEST I COULD AND THIS ENGINE HAS NEVER RUN AND THIS EFI SYSTEM HAS HAD NO TUNING AT ALL!!!) amount of timing in it.

So... I just keep increasing the timing (in a big block of cells in the main timing map, and also in the "advance while cranking" cell in modifiers) Eventually, there enough timing in it so it starts sputtering = need more or starts backfiring = need less. I also increase the "commanded idle speed" to 1500 rpm, increase the IAC parked position a bunch, and physically adjust the throttle stop to give the motor some air.

No different than first fire on a conventional carbed engine. (Except I'm doing it on my laptop, from a thousand miles away!! :biggrin: )
Add or subtract fuel and timing until the engine will start and run.

Once she's running, get her stable, get her warmed up, and then set the physical timing.

And it just has to agree. If the "TIMING" cell on the computer says 32 degrees, then the timing light needs to say that too, that's all.

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 Post subject: Re: EFI Tuning
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If this takes off, consider me as having applied for the first apprentice position :biggrin:

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 Post subject: Re: EFI Tuning
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:32 pm 
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DHH wrote:
If this takes off, consider me as having applied for the first apprentice position :biggrin:


lmao.... ain't you the guy asking about timing in the other thread?

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 Post subject: Re: EFI Tuning
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:34 pm 
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Notice the word "apprentice", this is where the wise old man teaches the younger guy what he has learned, so the younger guy can take over when the old guy bites the dust.
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Good we need to do some more tunning to mine before this summer...first i need to change intake to the new victor Jr EFI one i bought .Or you can get on a plane and come do it.
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1fast69 wrote:
Good we need to do some more tunning to mine before this summer...first i need to change intake to the new victor Jr EFI one i bought .Or you can get on a plane and come do it.
Mark.


ok, cool. Would love to come visit for a bit. But first you gotta convince Carol only I need to go, cause I can't afford to fly the whole flock out.
Are you guys home now?

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I think we are here now, Drove threw the night..stoped at Dans place at 4:30am and picked up parts he left out for me. Made it to the ferry for the 7:00am and home by 10:00am hell of a drive.


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